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“Presumed Guilty” – Understanding Dr Weitz’s testimony

Having read Jose’s book for a 3rd time now, I keep on coming back to specific pages… namely where Jose discusses the testimony of Dr William Weitz — with his PhD in clinical psychology and 35 years experience to boot — and who Jose specifically drafted in to interview Casey regarding the sexual abuse and her overall  behaviour during the “31 days.”

These are some of the specific pages & paragraphs I’m referring to:

Page 246:

“And then she says it was the greatest thing that ever happened to her, and George took her from her,” Weitz said.

“Meaning George killed Caylee?” asked Ashton.

“It is the perception of Casey that her father had something to do with the death of her daughter,” said Weitz. “She believes that George either harmed and/or took the life of Caylee.”

Later Weitz said, “She believes George took Caylee of out the bed, had a sexual—some sort of sexual experience with her daughter, and in order to cover it up, killed her.”

All of a sudden I had a problem. As soon as Weitz said that, I knew I couldn’t put him on the stand. Weitz became far too defense oriented on how Caylee died, and it made me uncomfortable. I don’t like witnesses who try too hard, even if they are for the defense, because I don’t think they are credible. During Weitz’s testimony, I kept hearing things that I had never heard Casey say before. I just didn’t think the jury would fine him believable.

In his deposition, Weitz seemed hell-bent on pinning a murder on George. I never for a second believed George murdered Caylee. My belief was that Caylee accidentally drowned in the backyard pool. After Weitz’s deposition, Ashton and the media made a lot of comments about how Casey said that George killed Caylee, but that’s not what she said. I want to be clear about this: Weitz was trying to pin a murder on George, and I didn’t believe that to be the case.

Page 247:

There were times during our three years on this case when my associates and I talked about whether it might be possible that George killed Caylee to cover up sexual abuse, but eventually we backed away. If George had been messing with Caylee and maybe even sexually abusing her, we felt that might have been the reason George didn’t call 9-1-1 when he picked her up out of the pool. An autopsy clearly would have shown that she had been sexually active, an investigation would have ensued, and George would have gone down big time.

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So George would have “gone down big time” for the murder of Caylee and the sexual abuse of his daughter & granddaughter? Hey… no shit!  Isn’t that what usually happens?

But what I can’t understand is what incentive would Dr Weitz of had to overstate his case, or make more of it than he needed to? This is not some rookie dude out to make a name for himself. He was simply referring back to his notes on what Casey had told him. That’s all he was there for. The testimony of Dr Danziger (after interviewing Casey and giving himself “sleepless nights”) was also very similar, so he got taken off the witness list too.

Is there another reason why Jose chose not to put Dr Weitz on the stand? Was it only because he thought the jury would not find him “believable” ? It never stopped the prosecution from wheeling out a crackpot that allegedly caught some BS in a can.

Ok. So how about the possibility that Casey somehow tried to manipulate the psychiatric evaluations and hoodwink Dr Weitz & Dr Danziger? Let’s see…

This is from Dr Keith Ablow’s blog – Jan 2012:

Danziger put it this way, “Her demeanor, the best way to say it, is she was calm, cooperative and pleasant as if we were discussing someone who had a parking ticket . . . . It was very puzzling. I’ve never seen anything to this degree…”

“This is someone who is sitting in jail,” Danziger said. “Her child is missing, presumed dead. She’s . . . being accused by the whole world in the disappearance of her child. You would expect that that would provoke some measure of distress, whether someone genuinely did it, whether someone was falsely accused, I mean , it doesn’t matter.”

Yet, in Casey Anthony’s case, she not only was able to remain calm and collected, she also showed no attempt to deceive Danziger on the sophisticated psychological tests he administered—the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI).

She also did not qualify for any psychiatric diagnosis.

She did not qualify for antisocial (sociopathic) personality disorder.

She did not qualify for narcissistic personality disorder.

She did not qualify for borderline personality disorder.

She didn’t even come close.

“Certainly,” Danziger told prosecutor Jeff Ashton, “there was no exaggeration or malingering (faking) or amplification of symptoms.”

Jose’s book, Page 240:

When asked how frequent the incest was, Weitz said Casey had told him her father had raped her “a few times a week” over the course of four years, from the time she was eight until she turned twelve.  And when he stopped, Weitz said, Casey said her brother Lee, who was four years older than she was, began coming into her room at night while she lay in bed, and he would fondle her breasts. Weitz said Lee did this from the time she was twelve to when she turned fifteen.

Dr Keith Ablow’s blog – Jan 2012:

But there is much more to say. Because the material in Danziger and Weitz’s depositions rings so true for a victim of horrific sexual abuse that it is stunning. It gave me the shivers. I won’t state here whether George Anthony is a pedophile and child rapist, but I challenge any other mental health professional with any experience treating victims of trauma to review the depositions Danziger and Weitz rendered and come away asserting that Casey Anthony’s words ring untrue or seem fabricated.

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When asked the most important questions (in his recent interviews), Jose’s usual stock response is to say: well, you know… there are some questions we’ll probably never know the answers to.

I don’t buy that for one minute.

The truth is out there… and once George Anthony is properly investigated, we’ll certainly have more answers than we have right now. I’m not talking about anything involving that useless law enforcement piece of filth known as Yuri Melich either. He already fucked everything up (with flying colors) the first time around by protecting his buddy George, so there’s little point inviting him back for an encore.

It’s like this:

Assuming nobody broke into the house, then murdered Caylee and disappeared into the night — we know there were only 2 people in the house when Caylee died. George & Casey.  We also know Caylee’s body didn’t magically transport itself to Suburban drive… so it must have been dumped in the woods to cover up something way more sinister. Sexual abuse.

Also take into account that lack of “abuse evidence” (whatever that is) does not negate the abuse itself – nor does it put the abuser in the clear. Far from it. This again is precisely why George needs investigating. He has most of the answers that are currently classed as “missing” in this still very unsolved case.

Is it really any big surprise that nobody’s heard a peep out of him for months now, since his $500k Dr Phil pay day? No it’s not. Child rapists, child murders & pedophiles (like George Anthony) do tend to keep a low profile, for obvious reasons. Self-preservation being one of them.

Sure, we can discuss Amazon book reviews til’ the cows come home — because it highlights the stupidity & gullibility of the ever-clueless knuckle-dragging retarded masses — but none of that helps Casey in the big scheme of things.

It’s time to get serious.

SJ

Comments

  1. Hi SJ
    I have a question for anyone that may be able to answer it for me. If 911 is called to a home in the instance of a death, who pays for the ambulance to the hospital or the coroner? Is it covered under some kind of medical insurance?

    • Debbie,
      It probably depends on what kind of medical insurance you have if it pays for ambulance. I had to call one back in 2008 and if I remember right, my insurance paid for it. Also, in my state the coroner is an elected official and is paid by the state.

      • Debbie, I just noticed all you asked was who pays for the ambulance, so disregard my last sentence 🙂

        • Thank you for the reply Karen. I was asking the question because I would think that Casey would not have immediate access to her mother’s insurance (if she was insured under it or Caylee was insured under it) for anyone to be able to call 911 without having to pay out of pocket…. could this be a reason 911 was never called?

          • Well, for me, I just got a bill in the mail sometime later from the ambulance company. I remember now I did pay it out of pocket when I got the bill, then submitted it to my insurance and they sent me a check.

          • Hi Debbie.
            I very much doubt the cost of dialing 911 ever came into it, or ever does come into it in such a dire situation. The only reason I can see for the NOT calling 911 was George covering his sad sorry ass, so as to not have his abuse discovered. If he ever has the chance to do it again I’m sure he wouldn’t hesitate to do exactly the same.
            SJ

  2. SJ
    Unfortunately, unless there is more than one person involved, child molestation is very hard to prove. In this instance, Casey was never taken to a gynecologist for any “female problems” and was probably never given an internal examination by her gp until she was pregnant. If Lee was also abused and came forward and said so, Casey would have a much easier time convincing a judge and jury that it was so.
    In this case, there are no more remains, as Cindy and George had Caylee cremated, the car is gone and there is really nothing left to prove that George did anything to Caylee. If Casey suspected that George had abused Caylee in such a manner, it would have been up to her to take her to a doctor and have her examined which is extremely hard on a child. Even if Casey spoke to psychiatrists and told them what happened, it would be a case of her word against his in court.
    Having said that, if they happened to find child porn or something of that nature during their searches on the Anthonys computers, they may be able to go after George but they probably never even thought to look for such things.

    • Debbie,

      There are plenty of red flags to indicate sexual abuse. George standing at the foot of the table in the delivery room looking at his daughter’s crotch, is a red flag of inappropriate behaviour George being thrilled when he saw Caylee’s vagina on the Ultra Sound. George breaking into a woman’s house and stealing her underwear is another one. He had some legal trouble years ago, that he mentioned to Casey in one of the jailhouse visits. Casey also appeared in court, although, according to George, it was pretty much settled before Casey went to court. Was it a sexual abuse case? (I posted what he said in a previous post)

      I think a school teacher suspected Casey had been a victim of sexual abuse. And I read somewhere Casey had gone to a doctor to get help.

      It is very rare to have a witness to sexual activity, but still people have been found guilty in a court of law, based on red flags …or circumstantial evidence. .

      • Dr Anthony Sabatasso says:

        I am a 50 year experirnced forensic exsminer snd classmate of willism weirz phd he hss trendbdous guts! his fsther sr started phd scools hr is backed by courafe snd brsvrness sbd to tdke the stsbd eiuld hdve sxced her liff rrputstion n burues georges!
        regarding the comment “Beautifully said every point ! The George at end if bed the past history the no exam the no two persons seeing the events if sexuak shyer! Hey listen it takes one great examiner to discover the truth William Weitz phd he did.. Obey he surrounding data would have helped his credibility ! But once baez was scared to put him on the casey was doomed in the eyes of the public !
        Weitz would give out the responsibility where it key.. ” something sexuak happened” no evidence iof rape in case did not have to be! Keep reading
        Anthony Sabatasso PhD

        • DR Tony Anthony Sabatasso Ph.D says:

          corrected and claified
          September 22, 2016 at 7:57 pm
          I am a 50 year experienced forensic examiner and classmate of William Weitz PhD he has trenmdous guts! His father Robert Weitz PhD started PhD schools hr is backed by courage and braveness to take the stand and could have saved her” life social reputation and bury her molesting father Georges!
          Regarding the comment “Beautifully said every point! The “George at end if bed” the Father George “past sexual history” the no exam the no two persons seeing the events of sexual incest and conduct! Knowing non judgmental William Weitz he i s the exact man who you would confess your incest experience to and with he is that safe and that calm!!! I know him…and i understand attorney Baez not putting it on they feared “Weitz looked like an a advocate” her I do not know if he believed father but he believed all the social media that supported get her not dad did not believe father molested ? But simply wanted to save her life from prison! He won that one and lost saving her “rest of her life”@! Weitz still has work to do! And should sue to get her rep back!! Hey listen it takes one great examiner to discover the truth William Weitz PhD >If anyone could ferret out the complex truth Bill Weitz could and did. Obey he surrounding data would have helped his credibility! But once Baez was scared to put him on the Casey was doomed in the eyes of the public!
          Weitz would place out the responsibility where it key… ” something sexual happened” no evidence of rape in case….. Did not have to be an actual intercourse with Caylee???? Apparently not!! Keep reading about the case there’s another book her maybe Ill write it with Bill and Baez! I despise child killers. I did , all Along, feel the so called facts never added in this case but why not?? Now reading these blogs I do I’m Called “Drtony” no baloney”
          Anthony Sabatasso PhD

  3. SJ,

    Awesome post!

    Debbie has a good point.

    The way to help substantiate the allegations of sex abuse is for someone who knew Casey, who she talked to or who had their own perception of George to come forward. Isn’t there information about George stealing a young woman’s underwear and that girl having to go to school in a different district? Didn’t Ablow find that out? That person is a potential witness or a victim. Perhaps an outcry witness. Something to lend credibility Casey’s allegations. I’m of the opinion that George may have other victims out there anyhow.

  4. Danziger seemed concerned with professional opinion when he kept whining about being the vector of a lie. If the case had been low profile, he would have had no problem restating Casey’s thoughts without all those caveats. IMO, Danzinger, was worried about getting future work with the state, or them not approving of him. He cow-towed to Ashton during his whole entire depo whining and carrying on while over using the word vector sounding redundant and weak! He lost sleep over it!? I would have lost sleep too, but for different reasons – such as woman was possibly sitting in jail who was innocent! Danzinger was weak and is part of everything that’s wrong with our world today. “When good men do nothing, injustice…”

    • I felt the same way about Danzinger, Sonja. What really surprised me was as a mental health expert, he would have a lot of experience with this – so why would it cause him to be so apprehensive?

      The only thing I can think is that maybe he is protecting Lee. It would be highly traumatic for anyone to force Lee to come forward. It might even cause him to deny what went on.

      I think Baez is also protecting Lee in the hopes that one day he will come forward and tell what his father did. I believe Lee was also a victim of George.

      • Good point about Lee. I think Danziger felt pressured because it was such a high profile case. Baez probably called it right in thinking someone threatened Danziger about getting more work should he testify in the case. I also think Danziger was worried about ethical violations. Being a forensic shrink is different than his regular work. He did need to be careful about how he worded things. But he didn’t really need passive-aggressively recuse himself in the way he went about doing that. He said he was uncomfortable atleast 15 times during the depo.

        Do you mean Danziger spoke with Lee? Or was protecting Lee because of things Casey told him that was referenced in the depo?

    • Agree about Danziger. He was removed from the witness list because he was caving to prosecutorial pressure and behaving in an unprofessional manner.

      In regard to Weitz…SJ, you raise some interesting questions as always! As to why Jose decided not to put Weitz on the stand, my feeling is that Jose’s primary concern was how the jury would react to the testimony. Casey was on trial for her life, and maybe Jose thought that the jury wouldn’t believe Weitz’s statments about George being the murderer. He most likely went with the accident theory because he felt that it was the easiest way for the jury to get from point A to B. The death penalty charges plus the overwhelming media/prosecutorial bias against Casey put a lot of pressure on Jose and the rest of the defense team to save her life, first and foremost.

      Do I personally believe that George not only sexually abused Casey, but Lee and Caylee too? Yes.

      • Hi Kira!
        Good points. When you say Jose “went with the accident theory” as the easiest way to get the jury from A to B – I agree. Are you therefore of the opinion (as I am) that Jose knew that George murdered Caylee, but didn’t use it as Casey’s defense due to the emphasis being on the prosecution to prove their case?
        SJ

        • SJ,

          JMO:

          Jose didn’t put Weitz on the stand because he wanted to show the prosecution couldn’t prove murder—or how Caylee had died. So how could he do it if the prosecution couldn’t? Dr. Weitz would have indicated Caylee was murdered while Jose was saying it was an accident and the prosecution couldn’t prove murder. One of the big reasons he got an acquittal is because the prosecution couldn’t prove Caylee was murdered…or how Caylee died..

          However, Jose managed to get it across in his cross examinations of George that George had murdered Caylee. According to the one juror in his interview on GVS, he said most of the jurors believe George murdered Caylee.

          If George molested and raped Caylee, it would show on the the little girl’s body. If he hadn’t killed her, how then could he cover up the sexual abuse? He couldn’t. She would have been talking about it and taken to a doctor and the sexual abuse would have been discovered. So in his twisted sick mind, he had to kill her and wait for the body to decompose.

          Jose is brilliant. He showed two totally opposite theories: : He proved the State couldn’t prove murder, and then he showed it could have been murder in his cross examinations of George.

          • Yep Lily. what you said. That makes the most sense. He couldn’t very well go asserting a murder occured while stating it was an accident that snowballed out of control. So he says it without directly saying it.

        • Hi SJ!

          Yep, that’s what my feeling is!

          • George’s plan backfired he expected Casey to get convicted and get the Death Penalty but Baez was too smart. Baez saved Casey’s life. Thank God for Jose Baez! I don’t think anybody could have done What Baez did.

        • Kira,

          Danzigar acted like a big cry baby. It was disgusting. I wouldn’t have been surprised if he lay on the floor and kicked his feet. I couldn’t stand the way he carried on. He was very unprofessional.

          • Jon,

            It sure did backfire on George. Thank God for Jose.

            What I remember about George is when it was announced there’d be a verdict, George had his hands like he was praying, and Nancy Grace said something about George may lose his daughter, giving the impression that is why he was praying. What a crock of sh*t! He was praying his daughter would get convicted. His appearance on Dr. Phil told us everything we needed to know about his feelings about the acquittal. He made it clear he wanted Casey convicted.

            George is walking human garbage. I don’t think I’ll ever forget his hands clasped in prayer waiting for the verdict. He would have probably danced a jig had she been executed by the State.

            Lily

          • And, what did they do after the verdict they got up up and walked out without even looking back. Any other parents would be happy that their daughters life was spared but not them. Jose wrote in his book they didn’t even thank him for saving their daughter’s life not even Cindy. But, Lee wrote a long letter thanking Baez. You are right George would be happy if Casey were executed, He would probably be smiling as they put the needle in her arm. Then, after the personal diary video came out they said they hope Casey stays safe where ever she is. What crap! How dare they say they hope she stays safe! I hated on the Dr. Phil show how George acted like a broken man and crying. Then, he said Casey drugged her little girl and killed her. I can’t wait til he gets what is coming to him someday. If he doesn’t God will be his judge. You can’t fool God.

    • Sonja,

      In the link you posted, it mentions someone went shopping for a Teddy bear the day before Cindy’s 911 call:

      4. Toys
      kbtoys.com on 7/15/2008 23:24
      Teddy bear shopping the day before Cindy’s 911 call?

      http://thejbmission.com/2011/06/19/jo-jos-cookie-jar/

      This is what Cindy said in the State Deposition about Teddy, Caylee’s Teddy bear:

      “Q Did you notice whether or not any of Caylee’s
      items were missing from the house from June 16th on?
      June 16th of last year, on.
      A At some point I realized Caylee’s doll — she
      called her “mama” — was not there. And then I noticed
      a week later, after June 16th, that Caylee’s teddy was
      gone. Because I actually had “Teddy” with me a few
      nights because I missed Caylee so much. You could
      smell Caylee in the beginning still a little bit on
      “Teddy,” so I would go in and hold “Teddy”.
      But I noticed, like, a week later or so
      that “Teddy” was gone and Casey did tell me she
      picked them up for Caylee.
      Q All right. So you knew Casey to have been
      in the house —
      A Yes.
      Q — herself?
      A She had told me that she was in the house.
      She was stopping by specifically to get new underwear,
      bras and some extra clothing and Caylee’s “mama” and
      “Teddy”.

      **********

      Why buy a Teddy bear when Cindy (supposedly) knew Casey had taken the Teddy bear for Caylee? Of course it would depend when Casey told her that she had taken Teddy, could have been after the 911 call she told Cindy that she had taken Teddy. But even that doesn’t make sense. We all know now that Caylee was dead on the 16th of June, so why would Casey take the Teddy and Mama doll for Caylee. This is weird, and I don’t know what to make of it.

      Was it George who took Teddy and Mama doll? Did George leave DNA stains on the Teddy bear or Mama doll, and he got rid of it and bought another bear? Or did Casey take Teddy and Mama doll believing Caylee was alive? I know Mama doll was found in the car, but was Teddy?

      The fact remains someone went Teddy bear shopping before the 911 call.

      • I think both of your theories makes sense. Casey could have taken the items because she had a sentimental attachment to them. Remember how she was crying in the middle of the night, while watching a Caylee video?

        Or George, took them being George and up to no good. He wanted to frame Casey anyway he could!

  5. Okay, so I googled George’s FBI interview and I can’t get past that gas can crap!! OMG it makes me so mad, he is sssoooo lying!!!

    First off he tells them when he first notices them missing he thinks someone came over the fence and stole them…just them? Then what puts him over the edge so he calls the cops is the lock is just sitting inside the shed, not on the ground or missing…what? Then he says Casey shows up later that day and he hasn’t seen Caylee for a week but he tells her about the cans being stolen? Then he conveniently all of a sudden needs something out of her trunk?? That is when he said she did the whole blowing past him and saying here is your fing cans. But the big thing that stood out to me is he said he LOOKED in the trunk!! He saw clothes and the collapsible bin. What did he NOT see? A trash bag or a decomp stain and he didn’t smell anything either. Why didn’t the car smell on the 24th if Caylee was supposedly in there decomposing for the past week? Either he was setting her up or this never happened at all.

    • Karen,

      You must have missed them. I posted the links to both Cindy and George’s FBI interviews on this forum.

    • Karen,

      The FBI interviews–or any interview with George or Cindy–are difficult to listen to. They lie, get caught in their lies, and still keep on lying. The bit*h & her bast*rd get a free pass everytime. It is sickening what these two get away with.

      lily

      • Lily,

        I’ve just been reading the transcripts…easier for me than listening to something. Anyway, another LIE he told was that on the 24th he called Cindy and told her about Casey showing up. That is the day he said Cindy went to Universal and Casey told her she was in Tampa. Where were the red flags then? Casey was JUST at their house (according to George) and now she is telling Cindy she’s in Tampa? And they do nothing? Even the FBI guy asked George ” so what held you back from doing something…” Of course he blamed Cindy even though earlier he said she wasn’t controlling.

        Another really puzzling thing is he said later that week she shows up again with her car and borrows Cindy’s car because hers wasn’t running! Well she got there didn’t she? Then he said Cindy was home and just handed her the keys no questions asked? He tried to imply he wasn’t even there but in the next sentence said he followed her! He had to be there to follow her right? Of course he lost her and she just came home later, switched cars and left. WTF??? When the FBI guy tried to ask the same WTF question, George goes into this big long thing about how irresponsible Casey is with money…pot/kettle? By the time he was done of course the FBI was beyond remembering what he was trying to ask in the first place.

        • But there is a stain AND a smell on the 15th of July? Where was all this on the 24th of June when George admitted he looked in the trunk??? It should have been there if you believe Caylee was in the trunk sometime between the 16th and when the car was towed. It’s impossible for it to be there on July 15th and not June 24th…impossible!!!

          • Karen,

            I can’t make out a stain. Jose said it there is a stain due to decomposition, it shows. It.

            There is no question about a decomposition stain. It is either there or it is not, and I didn’t see one.

            I cannot even imagine Casey riding around while Caylee is in the trunk of the car. She is much too caring and sensitive to do that–and to her own child.. Casey has heart, and she is innocent. It wouldn’t be likely the body would be in the trunk and Casey not know it. It wasn’t there when she put the gas cans in the trunk, when she had called TL to pick her up. I don’t believe Caylee was ever in the trunk of the car.

            Both the prosecution and defense agreed the remains had been elsewhere because there were no early colonizing insects on the remains. They would have been all over the trunk, and in the bag had the body been in the trunk, so the remains had to have been elsewhere.. The prosecution, however, believes the body had been in the trunk of the car before the remains were found. Jose believes the body had been moved around.

            I beleive the body was in the backyard of the Anthony home, and the remains were dug up and placed in the woods, because George couldn’t take a chance on it being discovered in the backyard. If this is the case, it would have to be after July 4/5, as pavers and other items frm the Anthony home was found near the remains. That’s when they did “cosmetic changes” in the yard and had replaced old pavers with new pavers.

            Would Cindy be part in digging up the remains in the backyard. In a heart beat she would if George told Caylee drowned due to Cindy leaving the ladder up. It’s CYA with Cindy, and with George. Both of them were covering their miserable hides. .

        • Karen,

          I doubt Lee didn’t do an FBI interview. Would it be listed in DISCOVERY? I might check there.

          As to George following Casey, he was caught lying when he said he had followed Casey. If this is the same one, Jose said in his OS (OrCS) that George had lied. His e-pass account showed he did not show he had used it. Cindy was asked about it and she said it didn’t happen. He then lied thru his rotten breath that he had been mistaken about the date.

        • Karen,

          I am going to google the FBI transcripts. I would like to see the transcripts rather than watch the the interviews over again.

      • People now understand that a powerful, well-connected public institution deliberately covered up the sexual abuse of chidren by one its own. Multiple children over many many years. Respectable men who were the pillars of their community enabled the monstrous acts of a pedophile. Is it really shocking that the same kind of covering up, of enabling, occured within a dysfunctional family in an obscure suburb of Orlando? This kind of thing happens all the time, and rarely comes to light. But I really believe that George Anthony’s days of getting away with things are coming to an end. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Lee and even Cindy turned on him.

        • Did Lee even do an FBI interview? Maybe that’s why it can’t be found cuz he didn’t do one in the first place?

        • Harry N,

          Isn’t that the sad and tragic truth.

          Poor little Caylee I don’t even want to think of the fear in her last moments of life. RIP precious angel baby.

  6. Marilyn C. says:

    I am so glad that there are so many people that are coming around to finally seeing another theory of Caylee’s death besides Casey just flat out being a murderer.It was always something that I just couldn’t swallow.That is the reason that I decided to NOT take what all the talking heads were saying as TRUTH from the start.I kept catching them in UNTHRUTHS!! I know thats not a word! So many people would say that Casey made up the abuse right before her trial.I could never understand this because she had shared this with many people years before & at the start including the FBI.WHY else would they do a paternity test on George & Lee(which the pros tried to keep out)? I also found it very TELLING & CURIOUS to me that BOTH of them were moved out of the house when Caylee was born.It lifts my heart to see so many coming here to read & go back over things to see the TRUTH.YES…on June 24th,2011 in the trial,it seemed that Lee was struggling with so much on the stand.SJ has done such a great job with this website so people can see for them selves all the information is still around.What is not on here,is on You Tube.I am just amazed that so many people took all the word of all of Sandusky’s victims with no questions,but there is no way anything could have happened to Casey? I don’t get it.I know one day the TRUTH WILL come out.To this day there are still talking heads(I won’t mention them)that still say she got away with murder.I only wish some day she would sue the crap out of them.I am just so thankful that Jose Baez,Mr Mason & TEAM saved Casey’s life.With all she has weathered,she is going to be one STRONG LADY.

    • Samadian says:

      I’m also glad so many people are coming around, Marilyn.

      I just want to clarify something though – people did not take Sandusky’s victims word initially. In fact, the first victim to come forward and tell was shunned so harshly he had to switch schools. It took years to finally have Sandusky held accountable. The reaction of the public is not unusual, unfortunately.

      • Why do people always not believe and blame the victim? We have to stop this?

      • Samadian, Welcome to the site. I remember you from Amazon. You won’t be judged here. We are all here to support Casey.

        • Thanks, Jon! Amazon should be ashamed for allowing such abuses to go on. I actually had death threats on there.

          I’ve been a fan of caseyanthonyisinnocent.com for quite awhile now.

    • It took many many years before the truth about Sandusky was revealed, and then only because there was an eyewitness to one event. It’s worth noting that that eyewitness never called the police but instead went to his superiors at Penn State who covered it up.

  7. Marilyn C. says:

    Yes Guys I know ALL of the Sandusky’s victims had suffered for years even with witnesses,my words were mostly directed at the MEDIA. I only hope it doesn’t take that long for Casey to have BELIEVERS.My heart broke for all the victims which I’m sure affected their lives in so many ways thru the years.The Penn State Monsters only brought this to peoples attention & I pray it opens many peoples eyes.Thanks to ALL who are Casey BELIEVERS!!
    Yes Jon…it gets old that the VICTIMS are to blame.

    • I don”t know how people can be so mean. Don’t they have any feelings? I would never not believe someone who was raped or abused. I never doubted Casey for a second.

      • Unfortunately there have been cases involving false accusations of rape or child abuse. The Duke Lacosse case, the Tawana Brawley hoax, the French politician whose name I can’t remember. Back in the 80’s there were a couple of prominent cases involving people falsely accused of child rape, a family that ran a daycare center, a young female teacher. But in Casey’s case the evidence is overwhelming that she was abused and that Geroge Anthony is an abuser. In fact, the evidence of abuse, and of George Anthony’s involvement in the death of Caylee or at least in the coverup and disposal of her body, is far stronger and more believable than the ridiculous theory the state of Florida put forth to justify seeking the death penalty. This is why I strongly believe George’s days of getting away with his crimes are numbered.

        • Harry, do you really think George will be held accountable? Believe me, there’s nothing more I would like to see but I have my doubts. I do find it odd that Georgie boy hasn’t made a statement about Jose’s book. Do you think he is afraid of the spotlight? Seems he loved being in the spotlight for awhile. Personally I cant stand to even look at the man. He is so creepy. I do hope he is brought to justice but I don’t see anyone seeming to care to go after him. I hope I’m wrong.

          • I do believe George will get what he deserves eventually. How that will happen I don’t know, but I do believe it. And it’s no surprise to me that he hasn’t responded to the allegations in Jose’s book, because he knows they’re true. Otherwise he and his lawyer would be filing suits left and right.

        • Harry N.

          Excellent post.

          Unfortunately, there have been false accusations of rape, and innocent men have spent years in prison for rape they didn’t commit. It should be taken on a case by case basis. In the case of Casey, immediately following Jose’s Opening Statement, JVM came went after Casey and Jose like a rabid pitbull, and saying he couldn’t prove incest and rape! Within a matter of minutes, JVM had already made up her mind that Casey hadn’t been a victim of incest!

          I believe Casey. There were red flags of sexual abuse during the trial, which I have already stated in previous posts.

          What I would like to know is how come that pig was allowed in the delivery room standing at the foot of the table looking at his daughter’s privates? Why was he allowed to go in with Casey for pelvic examinations? Did he tell the doctors that he was the father?

          He didn’t know then his filthy actions would turn up in a court of law and on national television…or he might have reconsidred going in with Casey. Then again, a pig is a pig is a pig is a pig, and he took and did what he wanted not giving a big rat’s ass for the consequences. And what about Cindy? Cindy? Just another pig.

          • Which just shows what an idiot JVM is, because Jose did not have to prove anything in court. The burden was on the bumbling prosecution team to prove their crazy murder theory.

  8. Hi All and SJ especially, thank you for this site you have done an awesome job:)
    I would like to add something for what it may or may not be worth. It seems to me that early on during the course of all these happenings, George and Cindy Anthony hired themselves a lawyer right away and asked for immunity. Lee hired his own lawyer and asked for immunity also… I am not sure it was granted to them but I do remember it being asked for way back when. My question when I heard that they had asked for immunity was why do they need lawyers or immunity? What is their role in all of this?

  9. TO EAH:

    I don’t think SJ’s page is the place to hash things out BUT since you have cut all ties I just want you to see a PM I got:

    just so you know karen so you can tell him someday when he grows up……his job is the worst kept secreet on fb. people google searched his name a year ago and knew what is job was. it wasn’t you, it wasn’t me……everyone on these pages knows. he just pushed one too many buttons with that page and they finally let the cat out of the bag. no need to worry, we all know you are no mole.

    This is all I will say on the matter, except this PM came from a NON and you are way too paranoid.

  10. How to prove Spongie was Caylee’s biodad? Jesse Grund requested DNA proof he was Caylee’s dad. The test came back negative. (To his great credit, Jesse still wanted to be her father.) The FBI requested the results from the original lab and found out they had a policy to destroy after 90 days. (Supposedly it took more time than usual for the original results to come back, leading some to theorize that the lab saw tell tale evidence that Caylee’s DNA showed close relative cohabitation.) Little Caylee’s DNA remains non discoverable due to the evil machinations of GA. True, her bones were eventually “discovered.” But it’s my understanding that the bones do not allow discovery of DNA (father’s contribution) but only MtDNA (from mother) The soft tissue is gone which could show father’s DNA. I welcome your comments on this.

    • Vicki, it was my understanding that they tested Lee and George as possible fathers. I have no reliable source for this though. Maybe someone else does?

      I think they could always use the hair samples they had from Caylee’s brush though, couldn’t they? If I recall correctly, LE asked for the brush and Cindy tried to keep it from them.

      I do think George was afraid of something being discovered. Even if he’s not the father – I don’t think he knew that. I think Casey threatened him with it in order to keep him away from her.

  11. Sam- Thanks for your comments. Following the reasoning I gave in my post for Caylee’s DNA being non discoverable, Lee could not be proven to be the biodad either. I don’t know about the hair.

  12. Casey stated that the last time George molested her was when she was 18… Her date of birth is 1986, Caylee’s is 2005, making Casey 19 when she had Caylee. Going back 9 months she would have been 18 when she got pregnant.

    • If Casey could remember the month in which George last molested her I think she would know for sure, because if he molested her between mid november 2004 and mid december 2004 then in all likelyhood George was his granddaughter’s father.

      • Debbie,

        Here is a link to some interesting reading about George and the paternity testing. Scroll down to the comment by Zuben, who explains why she thinks based on her knowledge of DNA, how George was ruled out as being the father.

        Nevertheless, the fact that a paternity test was never released, no official comparison of the DNA and that genetic testing experts later came out and said that DNA tests for incest back then were not accurate, makes a case that George may have been Caylee’s father.

        I think he wasn’t based on what I’ve studied, but I also think that George thought he was the father. Some say the family thought Lee was the father which is why they shut him out of everything. I think Lee’s testimony was beyond strange.

        Anyway, I hope you enjoy that thread I sent you:)

        • http://thejbmission.com/2011/06/19/jo-jos-cookie-jar/

          It’s the comments by Zuben that are most interesting.

          • Sorry for over commenting – here is a cut and paste of the comment – but it’s better read in sequence to keep it in context –

            “HollysGmom, I have explained several times how to see that George can’t be the father. I even listed their DNA profiles. If you pull up the doc with all the dna profiles, compare each loci you will see that at least one allele in most every loci does not match either Casey or George. That non matching allele comes from Caylee’s father. The FBI didn’t have to run a paternity test once they had DNA profiles for each male Anthony. All they had to do is look at the alleles to see it is impossible for either of them to be her father. The original request was concerning Lee, which surprises me since Casey is saying George molested her but in the jail letters only said Lee touched her breasts, right? But, anyway, they didn’t request parentage test on George specifically but could answer in court, no, he is not the father, based on the dna profile they obtained.”

            Debbie the profiles are out there. I have zero understanding in how to read them though. Are you familiar with genetic profiles? Maybe some here can look at them again and compare to see what they find?

          • I just went to Jo-Jo’s Cookie jar via your url here thanks:) Sonja.

          • Sonja,

            Thanks for the link! Now I know more about George’s “diamond earrings?” Zuben mentions a diamond jewelry site and Zuben asks who was George buying diamonds for? I got the answer to that one: George bought diamonds for himself:

            I found a photo of George and Cindy on a Cruise many months back, and what really caught my interest is George was wearing a “diamond earring.” On that particular photo, the caption read “George All Pimp N’ A diamond earring!” I just located the photo of George and Cindy on the Cruise, but not with the caption under it. It really doesn’t matter. There is a photo of George on the cruise wearing a diamond earring.

            According to Zuben, George was looking up diamonds July 14, 2008!!! Where did he get the money? I did a search on a damond earring for men a while back, and, IIRC, diamonds can cost anywhere from $5,000 to in the upper thousands.

            I read on a website that only pimps and gangsters wear a diamond earring. True or not, I don’t know, but that POS was looking for diamond earrings after he knew Caylee was dead. He never loved Caylee. All he cared about was his own miserable hide.

            I found the POS wearing a diamond earrings:

            The walking POS in his diamond earring:

            http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/diamonds-and-tattoos-are-george-and-cindy-anthony-living-la-bella-vita/

            (The link has some very interesting information, and I plan to read the entire site later this evening.)

  13. Not to be a broken record, but my question is: What is the source for Caylee’s DNA that would show who her father is? She was skeletonized and later cremated. Soft tissue would be needed to obtain YDNA indicating her father. She was identified when found after her death thru MtDNA taken from her bones and matched to her mother. That’s how I understand it anyway. Great to be on a site where the case can be discussed intelligently without the haters!

    • Vicki,

      According to the Autopsy Findings Report, Caylee was identified by Nuclear DNA, not MIDNA. This has me really confused. I am not too swift on the subject of DNA, but isn’t Nuclear DNA from the father and mother, while MIDNA is just from the mother?

      Cindy made sure there would be no more DNA testing on Caylee’s little bones when she had the bones cremated. Unless Caylee had blood samples, urine samples, etc, by a pediatrician I don’t see how they can do a paternity test on the little girl’s remains. Cremation ends any chance of finding out who the father is.

    • You make a good point. The people on the blog I was refering looked at DNA profiles of all three. Its out there in the discovery and the pages are referenced in the blog comments.

      I’m not saying there right or wrong. I read what you read about the mitochondrial DNA. Could they be comparing the dna from the hairbrush, and what was collected from George, Casey and lee?

      The fact nothing was released is weird! It’s like they thought we wouldn’t notice. Don’t you think?

    • VIcki,

      I grabbed this comment from that other site. Maybe we could find where these pages are:

      The link referring to the pages was a dead link to the Wesh news site. But I think the actual pages are pages in the discovery.

      Pg 30 talks more about Lee’s DNA and paternity testing , does not speak of George at all.
      Pg 33 discusses buccal swabs from George & Cindy as K13 & k15 respectively
      Buccal swabs from Lee as K-17
      pg 36 , a table of DNA markers has several enteries for GA & LA as 17
      pg 38 *Note: Please compare DNA profile of Lee anthony against the DNA profile of Caylee Anthony.
      Signature on that request: Bloise
      pg 40 entery for 09/12/08 (It took a month to get those samples 10/15/2008)
      PG 41 ENTRY FOR 10/08/2008 tHIS ENTRY IS WHAT GOT THE WARRENT FOR THE FAMILIAL dna TESTING. mIXTURE ON TOOTHBRUSH, mixtures detected, Goes on to mention that LA DNA profile request.

  14. Lily,

    I love the It’s a mystery to me site too!
    Glad you liked the link:) I’ve seen him with that diamond stud too. I tried to picture my own father with a diamond stud and laughed aloud! George Anthony IS something else! among other things! You look at those searches he conducted, and have to wonder what kind of sick freak is he?

    • Sonja,

      Now I know where the rumor Casey was a prostitue came from: George. In either an FBI or LE, interview he mentions Casey having photographs taken in compromising positions, and something about the Escort sites, which the POS blamed Casey for.

      He is full of sh*t! If compromising photos of Casey were on the internet (somewhere), the photos would have been sold to the tabloids or splashed all over the internet.

      The prostitute and Escort services all started with that POS. If Casey prostituted herself, why in the h*ll would she be looking up Escort services, who sell don’t buy sex.

      The chat room for 13 years old that George has logged into his computer, is frightening. He might have 13 year old servicing him at his home. I hope that guy who runs the show “To Catch A Pedophile” goes after that fart, and the POS entraps himself.

      I hurt when I think of what he did to Caylee, and how he set up his daughter to take the fall for the death of Caylee. It kills me that he is walking away from this.

      • Lily, be patient. It only seems like he’s walking away from this, but his whole scheme depended on Casey being convicted and ending up either on deth row or, more likely, sentenced to life in prison. It didn’t work ou the way he expected, and he’s running scared. That bogus charity he created has collapsed and is understood to be a cynical fraud. Jose has written a best-selling book accusing him of everything and he’s said nothing. I strongly believe that Karma will catch up to George, and soon. It actually started catching up to him when that brave jury acquitted Casey.

        • Harry N,

          I take solace in your words too. I’m feel like Lily, just chomping at the bit to see him arrested, investigated and prosecuted for every felonious deed he was involved in from age 18 to present.

        • Harry N,

          Thanks, Harry. I feel a lot better now.

      • Awesome sleuthing Lily! Yes. What a p.o.s. he is all the way around. How people can think he is innocent is beyond me.

      • Lily,

        Did you notice that when viewing the porn sites GA looked at that a man could order a “girldate” as opposed to “womandate” and other types of menu items? Sick! How could anyone think Casey was an escort based on those searches. ( idiots do you know.)

        • Sonja,

          That dirty old man. 13 would be an old woman to George. He prefers 3 year olds.

          I remember a man ordered a 7 year old child to service him. It turned out the man was a prosecutor. He committed suicide in jail. A 7 year old child? Disgustingly disgusting.

        • Sonja,

          I noticed it. But what do you expect from a dirty old pig.

          • I don’t know Lily:) I guess I was kind of suprised the website was so OUT THERE with that stuff you know? It’s as if they are asking to be arrested for soliciation of a child!

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